@koteisaev yes the "setup chat" or "setup group chat" parts can still be improved and better guided, especially when not in the same room and not having a friend who guides.
@delta I considered myself "tech-savvy", but DeltaChat was my first software of that kind (e2e private messenger) and my contact was far from me, and not a "tech-savvy" person. So it was not obvious for me that I had to instruct my contact who is far away about additional "off-the-band" actions need for us to add each other to contact.
Now i aware of all that, but my contact got discouraged with that complexity and don't want to try again.
Have to keep using whatsapp (it sometimes get blocked).
@koteisaev sorry it didn't work out. IIt's clear there is room for improvement, and to make it more obvious how to setup contact. Currently, it helps a lot if someone guides the process for a group aka "Now click this link/scan this QR to join our group" after which the person immediately has secure contact to everyone in the group. Already, we spent hundreds of hours to arrive at where we are. Will be some effort to improve it further across all platforms.
@delta Sadly I don't have a proper experience to help with this "improve it further" part..
@delta @koteisaev I appreciate all your work on the onboarding process, especially for groups. I have a group of very non technical people who are committed to WhatsApp which makes me 😬 so I am slowly preparing to shift them one at a time to Delta Chat. :)
@scott @koteisaev we think we know pretty exactly what you mean and why you hesitate. It's a healthy approach! Also some of our own contributors hold off on introducing it into some of their groups and for good reasons. It's important to understand and read the room before suggesting. There usually is only one try. An interesting related read https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2012/05/09/welcome-to-the-future-nauseous/
@koteisaev no worries, we already discussed several possible improvements. It will take some time to get around to tackle them. Onboarding and getting in contact are topics worth getting back to.